From richard.beaudry at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 16:29:54 2006 From: richard.beaudry at gmail.com (Richard Beaudry) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:29:54 -0500 Subject: [P112] Next board run -- Prices? Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to get in on the next board run, but I was wondering what the pricing was? I went back over the comp.os.cpm archives, but couldn't find the message with the original pricing. Can you post it to the list, so I can decide on kit vs. built, etc.? Thanks! Rich Beaudry From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Wed Jan 4 20:06:20 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:06:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] kits have shipped Message-ID: Except for three people, everyone in the US has their P112 kits on the way. The exceptions are for 1) told me not to ship until February, 2) wants a preassembled unit, and 3) the post office website thinks your address doesn't exist. I'm waiting for a reply on #3 to confirm the address. Tonight I'll pack the remaining kits and build the kit for #2. When you get your kit, please find the documentation CD and print out the user manual. Don't open the bubble wrap until you've read the manual and are ready to start assembly. On Sunday, as something of an afterthough, I decided to typeset the ZSDOS manual. I don't think I'll be done with it for about a week, so it didn't make it onto the documentation CD. Of course, you will be able to download it freely from the P112 webpage and its mirrors. The typesetting is done in LaTeX, same as the P112 manual. Stand by for the official announcement for the second run. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From tony at instaview.com Wed Jan 4 23:46:48 2006 From: tony at instaview.com (Tony) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:46:48 -0500 Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200601041846.49062.tony@instaview.com> cool :) Lets hope run goes well :) On Wednesday 04 January 2006 03:06 pm, David Griffith wrote: > Except for three people, everyone in the US has their P112 kits on the > way. The exceptions are for 1) told me not to ship until February, 2) > wants a preassembled unit, and 3) the post office website thinks your > address doesn't exist. I'm waiting for a reply on #3 to confirm the > address. Tonight I'll pack the remaining kits and build the kit for #2. > > When you get your kit, please find the documentation CD and print out the > user manual. Don't open the bubble wrap until you've read the manual and > are ready to start assembly. > > On Sunday, as something of an afterthough, I decided to typeset the ZSDOS > manual. I don't think I'll be done with it for about a week, so it didn't > make it onto the documentation CD. Of course, you will be able to > download it freely from the P112 webpage and its mirrors. The typesetting > is done in LaTeX, same as the P112 manual. > > Stand by for the official announcement for the second run. From rivie at ridgenet.net Fri Jan 6 01:47:24 2006 From: rivie at ridgenet.net (Roger Ivie) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:47:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, David Griffith wrote: > Except for three people, everyone in the US has their P112 kits on the > way. Yippee!!! Care package from Bakersfield arrived today! Looks like I have a new project for the weekend. -- Roger Ivie rivie at ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Fri Jan 6 01:51:20 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:51:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Roger Ivie wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, David Griffith wrote: > > Except for three people, everyone in the US has their P112 kits on the > > way. > > Yippee!!! Care package from Bakersfield arrived today! Looks like I have > a new project for the weekend. Great! Let us all know how it goes. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From rivie at ridgenet.net Fri Jan 6 20:38:18 2006 From: rivie at ridgenet.net (Roger Ivie) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arrgghh!! Of course my wife's Windows box has decided to act up, so I'll probably spend this weekend working on it instead of the P112. Very frustrating. -- Roger Ivie rivie at ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Sat Jan 7 04:23:01 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:23:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Roger Ivie wrote: > Arrgghh!! Of course my wife's Windows box has decided to act up, so > I'll probably spend this weekend working on it instead of the P112. > > Very frustrating. "So he comes home with a brand new computer from an age long before my circuits were designed?!?! So he thinks he can make a computer with a soldering iron? We'll see about that!" -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From jmaynard at conmicro.cx Tue Jan 10 09:32:32 2006 From: jmaynard at conmicro.cx (Jay Maynard) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:32:32 -0600 Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060110093232.GA21115@thebrain.conmicro.cx> On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:06:20PM -0800, David Griffith wrote: > Except for three people, everyone in the US has their P112 kits on the > way. Mine finally arrived Monday afternoon. I had it together in about 3 hours, and it came up first time out of the gate. Whee! I was short one 5-pin header - which, as I wound up putting it together, turned out to be P6, the power connector - so I had to cannibalize a header from a junk modem board. No big deal. (Dave, this means you don't have to send me one.) It's in an old disk drive chassis with two TEAC floppy drives; I'll probably add a pair of Alps drives I've got lying around at some point, but that will take another chassis. Or I may use a pair of 8-inch SA800s instead with the D-Bit adapter. Haven't decided yet. The latter will, of course, take some BIOS hacking. I do wonder how the GIDE board will work with the lithium battery holder, but I assume that Terry will figure out how to deal with that. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://www.hercules-390.org http://www.tronguy.net http://jmaynard.livejournal.com (Yes, that's me!) From terrygski at cfl.rr.com Tue Jan 10 11:34:05 2006 From: terrygski at cfl.rr.com (Terry Gulczynski) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:34:05 -0500 Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: <20060110093232.GA21115@thebrain.conmicro.cx> Message-ID: <008d01c615d9$c3ca0100$6401a8c0@terry1> > Mine finally arrived Monday afternoon. I had it together in about 3 hours, > and it came up first time out of the gate. Whee! Congratulations, Jay. That's the way it's supposed to work! > I was short one 5-pin header - which, as I wound up putting it together, > turned out to be P6, the power connector - so I had to cannibalize a > header > from a junk modem board. No big deal. (Dave, this means you don't have to > send me one.) It's in an old disk drive chassis with two TEAC floppy > drives; > I'll probably add a pair of Alps drives I've got lying around at some > point, > but that will take another chassis. Or I may use a pair of 8-inch SA800s > instead with the D-Bit adapter. Haven't decided yet. The latter will, of > course, take some BIOS hacking. If you're going with the GIDE adapter I'm pushing, you can probably skip the BIOS hacking. The B/P BIOS that comes with the GIDE is already set up to handle 3.5", 5 1/4", or 8" drives. I've only used 3.5" drives myself, so I haven't tested the 8" capability, but the code is there. > I do wonder how the GIDE board will work with the lithium battery holder, > but I assume that Terry will figure out how to deal with that. Sorry to say, but the battery holder will have to be removed, as it is simply too tall for the expansion connector. You might be able to lay it flat or go with an external battery. There is also a method of mounting the P112 on top of the GIDE adapter that doesn't require removal of the battery holder, but it DOES require that the 3x16 expansion connector be mounted to the bottom of the P112 instead of the top. I assume you've already mounted the connector to the top, so that's out. My website at http://home.cfl.rr.com/tgcons contains details and photos of both methods. Terry Gulczynski From jmaynard at conmicro.cx Tue Jan 10 21:14:29 2006 From: jmaynard at conmicro.cx (Jay Maynard) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:14:29 -0600 Subject: [P112] kits have shipped In-Reply-To: <20060110093232.GA21115@thebrain.conmicro.cx> References: <20060110093232.GA21115@thebrain.conmicro.cx> Message-ID: <20060110211429.GA4904@thebrain.conmicro.cx> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 03:32:32AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:06:20PM -0800, David Griffith wrote: > > Except for three people, everyone in the US has their P112 kits on the > > way. > Mine finally arrived Monday afternoon. I had it together in about 3 hours, > and it came up first time out of the gate. Whee! Unfortunately, the Walnut Creek CD/ROM appears to be bad. The root directory is there, but there are no files in any subdirectory. Anyone else have this problem? -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://www.hercules-390.org http://www.tronguy.net http://jmaynard.livejournal.com (Yes, that's me!) From rivie at ridgenet.net Thu Jan 12 06:25:52 2006 From: rivie at ridgenet.net (Roger Ivie) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:25:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] Unofficial mirror of the P112 web page is back on line Message-ID: Well, I've gotten my machine back far enough that I've been able to put my copy of Dave's P112 page back on-line. Those of you unable to get to Dave's page can find a copy at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/ It may be a bit iffy through the weekend as I work to bring the rest of the machine back to life. -- Roger Ivie rivie at ridgenet.net From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Thu Jan 12 07:39:38 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:39:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] Unofficial mirror of the P112 web page is back on line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Roger Ivie wrote: > Well, I've gotten my machine back far enough that I've been able to put > my copy of Dave's P112 page back on-line. Those of you unable to get to > Dave's page can find a copy at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/ > > It may be a bit iffy through the weekend as I work to bring the rest of > the machine back to life. You don't have to keep calling it "unofficial". Ad-hoc, certainly, but I'll endorse it as "official". -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Thu Jan 12 08:22:34 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:22:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] P112 Second Run is now open Message-ID: I'm now officially ready to take orders for the second run of P112 kits. Unlike the first run, this will not entail a long wait of a year before delivery. This is because all the time-consuming and expensive steps have been done. After I get enough prepays (10 or so), I'll send off a big order for parts. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Thu Jan 12 08:28:00 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:28:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] Unofficial mirror of the P112 web page is back on line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Roger Ivie wrote: > Well, I've gotten my machine back far enough that I've been able to put > my copy of Dave's P112 page back on-line. Those of you unable to get to > Dave's page can find a copy at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/ > > It may be a bit iffy through the weekend as I work to bring the rest of > the machine back to life. The page is updated to state that the Second Run is now open. The mirror tarball is in its usual place. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From rivie at ridgenet.net Thu Jan 12 21:33:05 2006 From: rivie at ridgenet.net (Roger Ivie) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:33:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] mirror of the P112 web page is back on line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, David Griffith wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Roger Ivie wrote: > >> Well, I've gotten my machine back far enough that I've been able to put >> my copy of Dave's P112 page back on-line. Those of you unable to get to >> Dave's page can find a copy at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/ >> >> It may be a bit iffy through the weekend as I work to bring the rest of >> the machine back to life. > > The page is updated to state that the Second Run is now open. The mirror > tarball is in its usual place. OK, I've updated my mirror at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/ Thanks! -- roger ivie rivie at ridgenet.net From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Thu Jan 12 22:22:47 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:22:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] mirror of the P112 web page is back on line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Roger Ivie wrote: > > The page is updated to state that the Second Run is now open. The mirror > > tarball is in its usual place. > > OK, I've updated my mirror at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/ Could you alter index.html to state that it's a mirror and point back at my page? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From rivie at ridgenet.net Fri Jan 13 01:55:58 2006 From: rivie at ridgenet.net (Roger Ivie) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:55:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] mirror of the P112 web page is back on line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, David Griffith wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Roger Ivie wrote: > >>> The page is updated to state that the Second Run is now open. The mirror >>> tarball is in its usual place. >> >> OK, I've updated my mirror at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/ > > Could you alter index.html to state that it's a mirror and point back at > my page? Done. I've also been editing the links at the bottom of the page (back to the projects page, back to Dave's home page) to point to the original pages. By the way, the original images.html believes that it is in a subdirectory of the P112 page; it is not. You might want to fix it eventually. -- roger ivie rivie at ridgenet.net From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Mon Jan 16 09:04:18 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:04:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] minor p112 page update Message-ID: There's now a paragraph on what to do if you want a P112, but don't want to assemble it yourself for whatever reason. As usual, the mirror tarball is updated. [quote] I want one, but I don't want to build it myself. No problem! One of my cohorts, Terry Gulczynski, will build and test your P112 for you. He has other services like adding more memory and adding an IDE interface. If that's what you want, please tell me when you email me. Check out his website at http://home.cfl.rr.com/tgcons/ for more information. [unquote] -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From rivie at ridgenet.net Fri Jan 20 01:47:16 2006 From: rivie at ridgenet.net (Roger Ivie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:47:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] minor p112 page update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, David Griffith wrote: > There's now a paragraph on what to do if you want a P112, but don't want > to assemble it yourself for whatever reason. As usual, the mirror tarball > is updated. OK, I've updated my mirror at http://anachronda.webhop.org/~p112/. I was having trouble fetching the tar file when it first came out, then forgot about it for a while... -- roger ivie rivie at ridgenet.net From jmaynard at conmicro.cx Sun Jan 22 03:35:32 2006 From: jmaynard at conmicro.cx (Jay Maynard) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:35:32 -0600 Subject: [P112] RTC crystal? Message-ID: <20060122033532.GA15906@thebrain.conmicro.cx> I think my tiny 32.768 kHz crystal is bad...because I think I squished it a bit too much trying to get the hot melt glue off of it. I'm placing an order with DigiKey for other stuff, and want to get a replacement. What are the specs on the crystal, or a manufacturer's part number? -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390 From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Sun Jan 22 07:42:37 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:42:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] RTC crystal? In-Reply-To: <20060122033532.GA15906@thebrain.conmicro.cx> References: <20060122033532.GA15906@thebrain.conmicro.cx> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Jay Maynard wrote: > I think my tiny 32.768 kHz crystal is bad...because I think I squished it a > bit too much trying to get the hot melt glue off of it. I'm placing an order > with DigiKey for other stuff, and want to get a replacement. What are the > specs on the crystal, or a manufacturer's part number? In retrospect, I think using glue like that was a mistake. I should have simply used tape. Specs are 32.768kHz 12.5pF by ECS International, part # ECS-.327-12.5-13. The Digikey number is X802-ND. I bought Mouser #520-TFC2X6 (page 659). -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu From jmaynard at conmicro.cx Sun Jan 22 20:08:20 2006 From: jmaynard at conmicro.cx (Jay Maynard) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:08:20 -0600 Subject: [P112] GIDE mod for use with stock P112 Message-ID: <20060122200820.GB3092@thebrain.conmicro.cx> I've put up a page describing my modification to Terry's GIDE board to make it work with an unmodified P112 with the battery holder mounted to the board. This mod is straightforward, but not for the faint of heart. Take a look at http://www.conmicro.cx/gidemod . -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390 From jmaynard at conmicro.cx Thu Jan 26 14:10:08 2006 From: jmaynard at conmicro.cx (Jay Maynard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:10:08 -0600 Subject: [P112] cpmutils diskdefs entry for P112 disks Message-ID: <20060126141008.GA15824@thebrain.conmicro.cx> I finally got cpmutils 2.4 built and running on a Linux system. To make it work with the P112's default 1.44 MB format, add the following entry to the diskdefs file: diskdef p112 seclen 512 tracks 160 sectrk 18 blocksize 2048 maxdir 256 skew 1 boottrk 2 os 3 end I'm using it with the stock posix access method, talking to /dev/fd0 . For some reason, cpmutils can't handle files in user numbers higher than 8 (maybe 9), but it'll work aside from that problem. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390 From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Thu Jan 26 18:22:00 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:22:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] cpmutils diskdefs entry for P112 disks In-Reply-To: <20060126141008.GA15824@thebrain.conmicro.cx> References: <20060126141008.GA15824@thebrain.conmicro.cx> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Jay Maynard wrote: > I finally got cpmutils 2.4 built and running on a Linux system. To make it > work with the P112's default 1.44 MB format, add the following entry to the > diskdefs file: > > diskdef p112 > seclen 512 > tracks 160 > sectrk 18 > blocksize 2048 > maxdir 256 > skew 1 > boottrk 2 > os 3 > end > > I'm using it with the stock posix access method, talking to /dev/fd0 . > For some reason, cpmutils can't handle files in user numbers higher than 8 > (maybe 9), but it'll work aside from that problem. I almost forgot about that thing. That's the same entry I came up with. I've been meaning to figure out why cpmtools has a problem with higher user numbers. I've talked to the author and he says he'd be glad to accept patches related to the P112 project. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Tue Jan 31 05:49:54 2006 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:49:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [P112] 2nd run sitrep Message-ID: I held things open a little while longer so I could make sure I'll have enough for the remaining boards. I'm expecting shipments from Jameco and Mouser any day now. I'm sending off an order for memory chips tomorrow. I'll be getting the standard 32k chips and a smaller quantity of 512k chips. I'll have enough for five 1-meg upgrades. First come first served. After that, if you want to upgrade, Terry has come up with an SOIC-to-DIP converter that'll let you use the dirt-cheap 512k SOIC chips from Jameco. Dallas/Maxim, the maker of the DS1302 clock chip has those backordered for nine weeks. I've contacted a couple chip brokers to see if they can get it for me quicker without paying through the nose. Alternatively, we could all ask for free samples (we as in if you're in the 2nd run, you ask http://www.maxim-ic.com/ for a sample of DS1302). -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu